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"Love Freak"


This is a little essay I wrote about love altho it does not say everything I wanted it to it would take a lifetime to get all that down... anyway here we go

"Love Freak"

Love is the most powerful thing humans have at their disposal. The power of love is undeniable to those who have felt it. I have spent alot of time studying love. But you can't learn about love in a textbook or on TV. You have to search your soul. Many times in my life people have hurt me and lashed out verbally physcially and phycologicly. I've tried many different methods to cope with the pain... I've tried fighting back, shutting down and other techinques but the only one that made the pain go away was forgivness. Sure anger and revenge makes me feel good for a bit but in the end that feeling goes away and I just feel worse about it. Shutting down did nothing just made the feelings of sadness have time to fester. in the end I found that by focusing all my energy every thought in my mind of love and forgiveness and showing that person I can still smile at them and show them I care, I could turn all the bad feelings into good ones! Causing harm to others does not bring happiness only more sadness. Love is not the easy way out the easy way is to hate and do harm but you won't ever break free of it that way. Sadness is a prison and as long as you play by it's rules you'll stay there forever only by choosing love and fighting tooth and nail for every inch of it will you truly find hapiness. Love is more than an emotion it's a way of life. To choose love to love all people no matter who they are where they are from what they have done or what they believe. Every human has a soul and feelings both are very delicate and fragile. Love means taking all people the good and the bad. Accpeting them for who they are and saying "I love you".


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would be good if more ppl would realise that....

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Hahaha...

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serious it would be better if ppl wouldnt hate everything. =)

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I think that was the point of me writing that lol

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But I think you will agee with me if I say that love wouldn't exist if hate doesn't exist too.

I mean if you want to enjoy the good, you have to know what the bad is. If only good or love existed, we couldn't realise how perfect would be the world because we would have known nothing else.
That's paradoxe of good and bad.

Wow, it is in those cases that I hate writing English, am I understandable ?confuse

Anyway : life is beautiful. Enjoy it wink

-- Edited by Major-HXH on Wednesday 22nd of April 2009 02:46:02 PM

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yea i agree but ppl serously hate pretty mutch anything theyre not used to. i just think it would be better if ppl wouldt hate stuff as soon as they know it exists. the world needs to be more open to difference.............. alright im confusing myself .... maybe i dont =/

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That's xenophobia, my friend. People fear what they don't know.

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yea but fearing something doesnt mean you have to hate it ........you could also see it as a challenge trying to figure out how dagerous it really is ^^

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Ehhh all I wanted to accomplish with that piece is just to show how meaningless anger and hatred is. I choose to devote my life to love alone nothing well ever come before it.


-- Edited by Doc on Friday 24th of April 2009 12:08:41 AM

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...... so whats wrong with us starting a discussion about the point of hatred let ppl think about it. its always good to make ppl think =)



woot 250 posts ......... i guess =/
is that a good thing or just sad?


-- Edited by gappiee on Friday 24th of April 2009 09:01:17 AM

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Who said anything was wrong?

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no one just seemed like you didnt want a discussion ^^

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So let's discuss...

Do you think that everyone deserve to be loved ?

I know it's a weird question but I'm simply asking.


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I know I don't

everyone else yeah...

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I don't think I could answer that one without bringing up some ridiculous philosophic assessment of the implications of the word "deserve".

Although to make it easier, I guess I'll put it this way: I've met a lot of people I'd rather not see loved by anyone... and that's certainly putting it nicely.

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hmm i think every one should be loved though i dont think saying that everyone deserves it is wrong.
i think it would save a lot of ppl from going crazy ....

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Hey Doc why are you saying that ? I am sure you deserve to be loved.

I agree with Gappiiee. I would have said the same thing. But I also don't think that love must be deserved. It is not something we can control and decide to whom give it. You see ?

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Love doesn't discriminate so why should we? I'm the last person in the world who deserves love in any way shape or form but yet I'm bursting at the seems with love for you and everyone else in this world... I may not agree with the way most people behave but I love an respect them and their choices as long as they don't intentionally harm others out of malice... and even if they do I believe in forgiveness. Someone once asked me about people who commit crimes. Honestly I forgive them but I also believe there are consequences for every action. so even tho I believe they are still humans and should be treated with love and kindness. they still must go to jail but that doesn't mean I won't forgive them. I may not like them or trust them but I will still treat them equally.

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yay well said ^^

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Wow great speech.=)

I have nothing to reply.

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*blush* I don't know what you mean I was just speaking my mind...
I've had a few people tell me I'm wise for my age but I never ya know took it seriously

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sometimes speaking your mind can build/destroy empires.(and its how discussions start)we just happen to agree to what you think ^^

hmmm dunno i guess the wisdom comes with age thingie isnt entirely correct though it usually applies. ( i might explain this later when i figured it out myself)

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don 't ask me! thinking of answers makes peoples heads hurt...

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i didnt ask aything i said i would explain .... i forgot to think about it though. ill try to remember this time.

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I know some people who are aged but not wise.
Some other who are wise but not aged.

And me I am not aged and neither wise. Damn it.



-- Edited by Major-HXH on Wednesday 6th of May 2009 04:20:07 PM

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hmmm i guess that wisdom has to do something whith life experience and common sense ....... and i think you dont need to be old to have experieced a lot........ neither does common sense require age but i guess you learn a lot during a lifetime so thats why old ppl are usually wise (not all though as the major said)

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You know, at last, Wisdom is not something we can measure. It is something very abstract... So I don't know if we can say there is some principles.

I don't think that only experience gives wisdom, you also need to think about it, to understand what the good and the bad of it.

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nah as i said it also requires common sense .... well and the ability to learn from your mistakes

but that all isnt a fool proof way to be wise

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There's no secret formula i've never considered myself the least bit wise

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there isnt a formula but a lot of things that when they are combined usually make a person wise =) then again wisdom is just a word made up by ppl.

and i think ppl who consider themselves wise have the most to learn ...........

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hmm ive got that same problem... people say im wiser than my years.. but i honestly thing my 'wisdome' came about from a change of perspective (nearly dying in your sleep can have that effect on you). Age dosnt = wisdome... 'age' is nothing but a number bassed on how many times the sun comes up and sets while your alive.. its nothing but a measurment used to 'regulate' certain things.

As for Love.. and who deseves it or not? here's my 1 and a half cents =D

first is a quote i stole from someone... no idea who:

"Lust is when you love what you see,
Love is when you lust for whats inside."

And.. my own thoughts on it.... Nomater what you might think of someone.. nomater what you might think of how they live their life or what they do in their life.... Unless you love them yourself.. and they love you in return.. It realy dosnt matter in any way, shape or form what you believe they deserve... that is up to that persone, the one they love, and the one that does love him/her.

And something ive learned from painfull experiance... that still haunts me every so often 8 years later. Love is a double bladed sword. If 'love' is given and recieved by two people.. its the greatest thing in the world... but... if that love is one way.. and the recipient 'plays' with that persons feelings.. alot of bad things can end up happening.

*looks up* yesh.. im babbling.. someone remind me not to post replys when i get home from work and am half asleep. lol

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First let me clarify that by love I do not mean in any way mean romantic love.

I mean love for other human beings.

what I'm talking about is the unconditional love I hold for every person in this world...
Like I've said time and agian everyone has a heart and should be treated with the same respect
as anyone else...

Bad things like prejudice and fear get in the way tho...

being prejudice is human nature... humans will always try to stereotype other humans simply because that how the mind works... but I believe if you can see past your prejudice and treat everyone with kindness and love the world will be a bit better for it

and this love must be unconditional... think about that word... unconditional that means no matter what... even if that person hates you or tries to use you you'll still treat them with love and respect. sure being mad at others is natural but I believe if you can forgive them you'll come out feeling better about yourself... and I'm the first to admit there are people I don't like but my policy is that even if I don't I still treat them the same...

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hehe i have hardly anyone i really dont like (cant think of anyone right now) ... there are ppl i like less but thats no reason to be unfriendly ^^
but i think i can get along whith nearly anyone...........

@wolf: wel i think most ppl see a connection between age and wisdom cuz older ppl have experieced more and have had a chance to view the world in a different way. but as i said before you dont need to be old to have experienced a lot (or at least something important, can be different from person to person) ........

kinda weird now that i think about it i usually dont think of ppl as wise for their age i usually think in terms of open and narrow minded. probably why i havent met anyone that i didnt like cuz i always hag whith the "weird ppl" that wil accept almost anyone. oooh right i dont trust hiphopers(the ones that think of emselves as awesome).

@doc: i still agree with your view on love. (would have been kinda weird to suddenly change opinions =P .... not impossible though =/ )

wow i was just rambeling on and on ..... and on =S

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The word unconditional always bothers me in this context.

To believe that any emotion could be unconditional is to believe that actually have control over our emotions or even worse, to believe that cause and effect are entirely divorced. If we could command our emotions like that, no one would ever be sad unless they wanted to, we could always be happy, we could always be whatever we wanted.

I know that there is no way I could actually control what I feel about a person. I could call it whenever name I wish, I could pretend it was something else, I could even convince them of it, it does not actually change what I feel.

I don't want to sound like I'm preaching for hatred, but we have very little choice in the matter. We can give people another chance, that is about as much as we can do. If they can change the way we feel about them, then it is all for the better, but forcing ourselves to forgive those who lie, cheat and hurt us ad infinitum is a great way to guarantee pain.

Well, anyway, apparently I like to play the devil's advocate...

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it's not about emotion.. it's the way you treat people... not how you feel about them... I have plenty of people I don't like but I will unconditionally treat them the same as anyone else. nothing matters not race or age or gender or anything. I treat everyone with love and respect... people think I mean love as an emotion and only in rare cases do I mean it that way... I mostly use it in other contexts... when I say to treat people with love and kindness I mean treat them and anyone else with the same (if not better) respect and grace you want from others.

I give you emotions are never unconditional. Never. There is no way to keep your feelings about a person the same in the long run. every experience you have with that person colors your opinion of them however slightly. and just the simple act of thinking about them can do the same. for example... your friend june suddenly disappears... if she pops back up in a week your relationship with her will probably end being different than if she reappeared 5 years down the road. your mental image of people is as living and breathing a thing as they are themselves.

-- Edited by Doc on Friday 15th of May 2009 05:19:54 AM

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Wow @_@ you guys have written a lot. I did not all understand. But it is interresting to see how people can discus about the meaning of a single word.

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I just saw this...
it's a rare sight on TV to see someone to stand up for love of all things



Keith Olbermann,

Thank you

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wow that seems kinda .......real i always feel like ppl on tv are hmmm not really ppl =/ as if they cant be trusted or something.

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Sure it's not often we can see something like that.

(i didn't all understand again T_T I suck in English...)

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This is a fantastic message to share and spread around.  Admittedly, it is a little hard to follow (at least on a grammatical and mechanical level.  You have a few run-ons, mispells, and tense changes), but a great message nonetheless. 

There is only one part that I disagree with.  "I'm the last person in the world who deserves love in any way shape or form..."  I realise that this may be your opinion, and I cannot change that, but please try to explain why.  I would just like to understand why someone who preaches love and forgiveness and respect does not believe that they deserve it themself. 

I thought you said "To choose love to love all people no matter who they are where they are from what they have done or what they believe...  Love means taking all people the good and the bad." not "To choose love to love all people, except me, no matter who they are where they are from what they have done or what they believe... Love means taking all people, except me, the good and the bad."

Other than that, I believe that this was a great essay that many should read and take to heart.  The world would be much better if people could just acknowledge that they don't like or hate something, and then just move on instead of acting out with those feelings and beliefs. smile



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yea but most ppl have a hard time forgiving ..... which is important to move on ..... i think

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I don't really care for the grammar portion (I wrote this in 20 minutes with no spellcheck while typing furiously). as for why I don't feel I should be loved well...
Hell I'm not even close to being a good person... I'm a liar, I'm a thief, I'm a jerk, I'm Self centered, I'm spiteful.... I could go on and on. the fact is I'm wrong... this can be applied to any scenario if I've made a decision that somebody else hadn't already made for me I'm wrong.
I can't make my own decisions I'm too much of an idiot!
People hate me when I don't make decisions for myself but they REALLY hate me if I do.
The thing is no one else in this world ever does anything wrong... it's always MY fault

I don't just believe this.. I know it!

I'm the butt of every joke...
the blame for everything that goes wrong...
and people just like messing with me.

I don't have "friends" all the people I know just try to **** with me and make me miserable for some reason... I guess if that's how this world gets it's kicks is by making me miserable that's cool

far be it from me to disrupt the natural order of things...

The thing is I wrote that from a humans perspective and yes all humans should be treated equally but I'm not human... at best I can be seen as a somewhat helpful for humans to use as a punching bag at worst I'm a parasite that takes in food but produces nothing. I wish I was useless it'd be a tad bit better than being a blight on the world.

I know this is how things are and will always be...
Why **** up the system.....

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...Doc...you too, as all other humans, deserve to be loved. Noone can change that...

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hmmm Doc i dont think i could disagree more..... not everything that goes wrong is your fault ...... if ppl wouldnt make mistakes they couldnt learn from them

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As I said before, I cannot say that your opinion is wrong, but is in my opinion that there is no way that this essay could have been written by anyone other than a good person. Sure you say you're a liar, a theif, and a jerk, but who hasn't been at least one time or another! A good person does not, by any means, need to be a saint! If someone does just one thing nice for someone (even if it's just cheering them up when they're down), then I consider them to be a good person (they just don't show it much).

Yup, in my opinion, your a pretty good person.

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Problem is I still hate myself...
everything about me is wrong
all my life I've had to pretend I'm someone I'm not in more ways that one.

I hate myself

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How can you say you want to love everyone if you don't love yourself ?

I am sure that in fact you love yourself...even a bit. you are focusing your opinion of yourself on your bad memories or your errors. But you must forget them and go ahead !!!
Learn to smile and see that life is beautiful. And be yourself !! Free yourself from your black thoughs !

And if you are still thinking that you can't love yourself then me I will love you twice more.

I have made errors too, I have deceived people and sometimes myself. But that forced me to kick myself and continue to move forward.

And more someone who can talk about love like that can't be someone bad !!

Think what you want but me I am telling you that you're a good person. And I will not change my mind.



-- Edited by Major-HXH on Thursday 28th of May 2009 06:37:25 PM

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hmm i wasnt done posting ... but i had to leave(i was late anyway =( ) .... i see that while i was gone major and yurilover said some very sensible things and i have to agree with em ..... and i cant remember the other stuff i was going to write this morning ....... i just can remember i already had a hard time putting it to words.

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doesn't really matter I'm pretty stubborn so making me like myself even a little would be a challenge

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