hmm seeing as there are hardly any ppl posting on this forum i think we should start a discussion about something interesting ...... i just cant really think of anything. well i can think of a really hard question that doest rly have an awnser ......so if anyone has something interesting to talk about .............
anyway : can something have a end without a beginning? i dont think its possible.... il explain later cuz i wanna see what you ppl think (or if you have a better topic for coversation =) )
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A beginning is just the first occurrence of something. If something had not existed, and now exists, it had a beginning. Something cannot end if it does not exist in some manner. This can also be applied to something abstract, such as emotion.
It is a system of ordering, most of the argument in the idea would come from redefining the labels themselves. What do we want to call a beginning? Do we recognize gradual inception the same way we recognize something immediate (IE: Slowly developing feelings versus love at first sight)? When has something ended?
The other argument mainly comes from a more... spiritual(?) argument of the beginning of existence.
Anyway, I suppose that's the way I'd look at it, at least at the moment I wrote this.
aah so you say that to end something has to exist first and for something to exist it has to have a beginning ...... but cant something always have been there(for a infinite time into the past) then it wouldnt have a beginning? You could view the thing (ill call it thing cuz were talking about a consept of something that practically could be anything but most likely doesnt exsist) as a line with one end.
i would define the beginning of something : the moment/point it comes in to existance. and the end would be the moment/point at which it leaves existance.
-- Edited by gappiee on Thursday 10th of September 2009 02:51:44 PM
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"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"
"but cant something always have been there(for a infinite time into the past) then it wouldnt have a beginning?"
Already covered that.
"The other argument mainly comes from a more... spiritual(?) argument of the beginning of existence."
Discussing the possibility of existence extending infinitely backward and forward is one of those things where you're better off stabbing yourself in the foot and limping across a super highway without stopping.
This is one of those logical boondoggles you hope not to get stuck in the middle of.
i didnt say it would be possible for something to have always existed, thats a other question. i meant it in a purely theoretical way.... suppose it is possible for something to have no beginning, it would always have existed would it be possible for that thing to have an end?
if something has one end and goes back for ever wouldnt that end be a beginning (if you look at it from the other direction, and assume your not bothered by something like time)
(ooh and solving this wouldnt have any use at all its just a way of killing time =P )
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"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"
why? its just us thinking about whether logically something could hava an end but not a beginning.... =D (you can think of some other topic though...... maybe something that is also usefull =P )
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"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"
...sorry, im not good at coming up with ideas for anything...especially something useful...
...and what confused me was all the weird stuff you said, but the 'can something have an end but not a beginning' is possible to understand...my answer to that would be 'no'...
...would be more fun if more people actually talked on the forum...
...well, anyone wanna play a game, then? guess what this word means: tidig...
-- Edited by Susanah on Monday 14th of September 2009 12:27:19 PM
eeeeeeeeeeuh looks really weird never seen a word like that well they had some pretty weird stuff in scandinavia............. but it looks a bit like the dutch tijdig which is something like on time......
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"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"
...maayybe that word is too hard...well, perhaps i should come up with an easier one... ...tidig means something like funny in a pathetic or childish way...thats the best i can explain it... ...well then, new word/phrase: å gjemme...
EDIT: ...oh, and 'tidig' is a wordfrom Bergen...
-- Edited by Susanah on Tuesday 22nd of September 2009 04:47:25 PM
