i came here to start a topic about something ........ i just wish i could remember what it was .............. anyway, anyone has something to talk about ? ooh well i mostly felt like writing something down.
__________________
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"
Weren't we supposed to talk about the links you gave in the other topic ?
But, well, we can talk about something else. Like.... hmmm, like what ? I can tell you some words about the antifascist actions in the world (even if I don't belong to them)...
(Congratulation, Gappiee, for your 400th post =) )
Here's a discussion starter, (I appologize in advance for bringing this to politics, should you not want to get political, but since we're talking about Antifa...)
What are your thoughts on the Lisbon Treaty mess?
Did Antifa Show up for that ruckus?
__________________
"The button being so terribly close, it's really an awful joke, a bump with me a** as I go past and we'll all go up in smoke" - The Button Pusher, Luke Kelly - The Dubs.
(McGowan1986, I count on you to tell me if I am wrong and tell the right things)
The Lisbon treaty is a project of a better organisation of the European Union (I don't think that our friends from America feel concerned). It will be applied the 1st december 2009. But I do not really know what it says. I will read some things about it. McGowan1986, could you give some informations about it ?
I will make a post about the Antifa. I do not have time tonight (because it is already night in France).
From what I understand, many groups were concerned that their national rights would be reduced, in Irleand (where the recent referendum was held), France, and Holland.
I had heard that there was an Antifa action planned to protest it (though i'm not exactly sure what their stance was on it, to be honest), and since it was the most recent thing I'd heard about Antifa, I thought I'd pitch that in to get a discussion started.
Then again, in retrospect, that topic's a little stale now.
On a side note: I'm actually also an American.
__________________
"The button being so terribly close, it's really an awful joke, a bump with me a** as I go past and we'll all go up in smoke" - The Button Pusher, Luke Kelly - The Dubs.
hmmm somehow i think i should have known since im dutch, then again i dont care mutch about politics but i dont think i have seen anything about it in the papers ......
__________________
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"
My whole idea is probably a wash anyway (no need to risk an argument over this type of thing),
Any progress remembering your original idea Gappiee?
-- Edited by McGowan1986 on Sunday 15th of November 2009 03:52:17 AM
__________________
"The button being so terribly close, it's really an awful joke, a bump with me a** as I go past and we'll all go up in smoke" - The Button Pusher, Luke Kelly - The Dubs.
The video is really interresting but very debatable because can't be proved. And it a bit eccentric because since it is possibilities, it did not happen. So it is like studying the physics of an object which does not exist. Or doing maths with only the number zero. It does not lead to anything.
But anyway it is pretty ... fascinating, because thank to it you can view the universe differently. For example, what if the WWI did not happen ? Or what if the Allies did not win the WWII (fortunately they did) ? How would be the world without stupid people (but what is a stupid people ?) ? How would be the world if the Taiki Webcomic were more often updated ? Well... I take back the last one.
Do you think that the whole world would totally different if we remove only one people ? I guess that if we had removed Churchill, Lenin, Washington, or Christian Michelsen, it would have changed the world. But about John Smith farmer just in the center of Australia, would be the entire world canged ?
In the same way, we could link up all the stories of the world like novels, films, comics.... and even their fanfics as possibilities of our wold and possibilities of possibilities... An infinite universe...
Can you guess all the places where you could have lost your keys or your glasses which are missing when you need it ?
hehe debating what might be different wouldnt be very usefull cuz if you assume the theorie is right there would be infinite possebilities even thouhg in lots of them (infinite) it would be very different from our own.
but the theorie about time being a line is just a way of seeing it i dont really think you could be wrong about that.
when i said i think it has some flaws i acctually ment when they assume that if one dimension is a dot the next has to be a line i mean its true for the first four.... well first three we can be shure of an to us time is like a line that we cant move back on but we are moving on it ..... so there is a difference with previous dimensions -> a second dimesional creature couldnt move in the third dimension but i think they would be forced to move trough time like we are. so i think assuming that the next dimension wil be the same as a previous one would not be right.
alright now ill think some more about it =D
__________________
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"
...next dimension same as the last one? (stares around, clearly confused) We know that atlest I've got no knowledge on this kind of thing...
...and major, you came with an interesting idea: if one person in the world/history was removed...to change a littl bit on that, what if the Taiki webcomic were never started? I think that would actually change the life of many...even the lives of some who don't read it...
(and what if I'd done my task on Henrik Ibsen earlier than the night before it's due? ...just ignore this last one...)
-- Edited by Susanah on Thursday 3rd of December 2009 09:15:30 PM
i think that just changing one small thing in history could have a lot of possible outcomes depending on how everything responds to it which is also variable, at least i think so.
__________________
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"
Not only that but also any change can have many different possible outcomes..... well i cant be shure of that ofcourse since i cant change history to see what would happen =)
__________________
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"
some things cant be controlled(you cant prevent a meteor from falling on your head just by not wanting it to) but im quite shure there is a sort of free will^^
i dont even like it when other people make me feel i have to do something.... so the idea of some divine being controlling everything.......... is terrible cuz i couldnt prevent that thing from doing so =(
__________________
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"
Free will and predestination are not, of themselves, incompatible: the fact that you are free to make what choices you will is not the same as saying that someone with enough information could not predict what choice you would make.
However, both quantum mechanics and chaos theory guarantee that there is no single future to be predicted, only, at best, an array of possibilities that gets more and more uncertain the further into the future you try to go. As a practical example, consider weather forecasts (with the Earth's atmosphere as an example of a chaotic system). Typically, they are mostly correct for a day or two, getting less accurate for the next few days; and for next week's weather, you might almost as well just flip a coin. The nature of chaotic systems is such that, with a GREAT deal of added effort, you can only do a VERY LITTLE better at prediction.And eventually you run into the physical and quantum mechanical limits on what you can know about the present state of the world, and similar fundamental limits on how well one can predict how the physical state of the world will evolve into the future. Broad trends are much less random than the details, so anyone can predict with reasonable certainty that the summer will be hot and the winter will be cold ten years from now, but I doubt that it would be possible even in theory (i.e., with the best possible knowledge and unlimited computational power) to predict whether there would be a thunderstorm a year from now, let alone where the lightning would strike. And human minds and human interactions are MUCH more complex than the weather.
So the details of one's life cannot be predicted; and sometimes a change in these upredictable details can lead to a major change in one's life: for just one example, a chance meeting with someone that leads to an introduction to somebody you would not otherwise have met, who later makes you a job offer you would not otherwise have received, which leads to you moving to a city you would not otherwise have even visited, etc.
if someone can predict what you will do next isnt the same as having a written future its more like a calculation of chance, it can be wrong ..... if someone doesnt take the most likely action. but with a written future no matter what it will always be the same. which sort of means there is no room for free will(there is no other option so there is no choice and no choice means no free will to me).
__________________
"A wizard is never late, nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to"